Anything less is a conflict of interest. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. I did not shoot my children.. How about dads side of the family? There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Seems like she was her worst enemy. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? It was faulty. 4. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Robert Knickerbocker, age 60s, lives in Phoenix, AZ. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. College: SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. Do not take this so personally. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. A second child, Cheryl, quickly followed in January 1976. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. They have also lived in Watertown, NY and Scottsdale, AZ. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Nobody knows but her. (Appendix 3). Thanks again. 100% CAUCASIAN Our ethnicity data indicates the majority is Caucasian. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. 78 court search results for people named "Robert Knickerbocker" in the United States. A long long time ago. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. Another conflict of interest. Not in this case. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. I dont know the woman. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. Shes where she belongs. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. (He WAS shot in the back remember). Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Ways to honor Robert Knickerbocker's life and legacy. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. Also known as Robert K Knickerbocker, Robert K Knickerbocke, R K Knickerbocker, R . Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, Why did the mean man shoot me? and it would be written down in the daily notes. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. It simply states the facts of the case. Mind you, it is before the trial. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. We already know that. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? Thats food for thought. Why is there virtually no info on him? But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. . What I believe doesnt matter at all. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Detectives, like the hospital staff, were struck by Downs aloof attitude about the shootings and the fact that one of her children had been killed. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. I am not one sided. Let others know about your loved one's death. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. Was that Annes fault as well? I was shocked any asked why she thought that. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. What?? According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. LMFAO!!!! Justice is all that is left. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. View their profile including current address, phone number 480-307-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. Diane downs. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. According to Downs, they had visited a friend in the nearby town of Marcola and were driving back to Springfield along a lonely stretch of highway. Nine months after the shootings, on February 28, 1984, Diane Downs was arrested and charged with one count of murder and two counts of attempted murder. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. Her next parole hearing will be in 2020. Robert told the police the entire truth about the affair and also mentioned that she had previously stalked him, revealing that she seemed pretty willing to kill his wife if it meant that she could have him all to herself. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. No worries. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. It is not my point. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. And, while Cheryl died, the other two children survived with terrible wounds Danny was left paralyzed from the waist down and Christie suffered a stroke that left her with a speech impairment. WTF? If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. AGE 70s Robert W Knickerbocker Woodlawn, TN Aliases Robert W Knickerbocker Bocker Robert W Knickerbocke Phone Number Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. Evidence continued to pile up against Diane Downs. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Prosecutors argued that Downs wanted to kill her children so she could be free to continue her affair with Robert Knickerbocker, who had been adamant that he did not want children. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? View Robert Knickerbocker results including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Not hard to go there. Oh my. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Thank you Lise. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. A. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Just before 11 P.M., Diane Downs reportedly pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids!, Photo by: Diane Downs [Wikimedia Commons]. But, as would be the case years later with both Stuart and Smith, the shocking truth eventually came to light that Diane Downs had allegedly lied about the deadly attack on her children. What about the fact that they never found the gun? The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. Hospital employees recall that Downs attitude was very strange and she seemed incredibly calm in spite of her tragic situation. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. Speculative. Any thoughts on that? This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Hello. I will not remove anything. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. On July 21, she was recaptured less than half a mile away from the prison at a house with a group of men. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. Robert Knickerbocker first came into the eyes of the investigators when, upon arrival at the hospital to visit her children after the incident, Diane phoned him looking extremely calm. We dont know. It goes on and on. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. Simply because I researched them. There is only one major problem with your scenario. Resides in Phoenix, AZ. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Amanda Knox Is Not Far Behind! Is Diane really a threat anymore? If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. I will change it. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Much worse. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Related to: Dana Knickerbocker. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. Three-year-old Danny was believed to have been asleep at the time of the incident. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. They were put in an impossible situation. Steve also told police that Diane was still obsessed with her ex-lover Robert Knickerbocker, who had eventually put an end to their torrid love affair. In reply to Kit I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. And she should be allowed parole! They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. In the 21st century, it's not just urns and gravestones anymore. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. Very little is definitively known in this area. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? I can't bear any of my tribal members to go through what I went through, says Ashlea Aldrichs mother. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. Even put in different hospitals. Robert Knickerbocker in Chandler, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Chandler, such as Gilbert and Tempe. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. That is pure bullshit. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? Mr. It's surprising how much a musical selection can affect mourning. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. For some people, the best send-off is one that they would have loved to attendthemselves: a big party. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. That they did not test the outside of the car? They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. 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